Category Archives: Alt Center

Robert Stark interviews Vincent McLeod about Alt-Centrism & Spirituality 

Robert Stark speaks with New Zealand based author, Vincent Jamie McLeod of VJM Publishing about his religion, Elementalism, and ideology of alt-centrism. Vincent has a psychology degree from the University of Canterbury, is the author of numerous books including, Elemental Elementalism: The holy scripture of the religion of the Age of Aquarius, and has an upcoming book, The Alternative Centrism Manifesto that deals with issues like health, education, justice, and defense, which will be released in 2 years. Follow Vincent on Twitter.

Topics:
-How the term “massage” is pronounced in New Zealand
-How Vincent got into the occult due to becoming disillusioned with psychology
-How consciousness and the Divine are one and thus perfect
-How the meaning of life is entertaining the Gods and overcoming ignorance
-Near death experiences and Dr. Jeffrey Long’s research 
-How NDE’s are similar to DMT trips
-How this world is a downward emanation or dream of the Divine
-How the Elementalist principle of entertaining the Gods overlaps with mainstream morality against unnecessary cruelty
-How Elementalist morality is more subjective than Abrahamic (eg. violence against an invader is morally sanctioned)
-A total rejection of atheist materialism, nihilism, and Abrahamic moral authoritarianism
-How Alt-Centrism is downstream from Elementalism
-Why Vincent rejects the notion that human nature is inherently flawed or sinful
-How the new Alt-Center ideology will have to address AI and automation
-How Alt-centrism fills the vacuum of the flawed existing 5 ideologies of the establishment and dissident lefts and rights, and the establishment center
-How Alt-Centrism takes and rejects aspects from all these ideologies (eg. establishment center is right about finding peace over endless conflict)
-How leftists operate under Abrahamic moral authoritarianism
-How to find balance between order, which leads to authoritarianism, and libertinism which leads to degeneracy
-Vincent’s support for Plato’s ideal of the philosopher king with support from the warrior caste while merchants and proles should be kept out of politics
-In contrast with hyper masculine Alt-Right and feminine Left, the Alt-Center supports an embrace of all gender archetypes
-How the Alt-Right is correct in its critique of the current system but comes short at offering solutions
-How the entire racial dichotomy from extreme ethnocentrism of right, colorblindness of center, and wokeness of left have failed
-How a proper approach to race starts with acknowledging observable realities
-Why k-selected peoples are more appreciative of beauty over utilitarianism
-Contrasting the Theosophical and Elementalist spiritual approach with the more materialist approach of human bio diversity
-Why politics exists because God dreams up everything as entertainment, which is what people want from politics
-How our low trust society is caused by materialism and rejecting the spiritual
-How pure consciousness is bliss and depression and anxiety can come from identifying with the physical
-How psychedelics introduced Vincent to spirituality
-How Elementalism is similar and different from Robert’s new religion of Cosmoplatonism

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Alex Von Goldstein Returns To Talk About Esoterica

Robert Stark and Francis Nally (Pilleater) chat with Alex von Goldstein who co-hosted Robert’s podcast, the Stark Truth in 2016.

Topics:

-How tribal conflicts are different people’s consciousness colliding
-The intersection of genetics and spirituality (eg. different races are different attributes of God)
The lost tribes of Israel among European peoples
-Why Alex belives that Christ is the son of God
-New York’s Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center and The Statue of Liberty which represents Mithras 
-The Harmony Korine Jersey aesthetic
-How humans are lesser divine entities
-The need for a dualism between tribalism and universalism
Alex’s Dreamworld and experiences accessing different metaphysical realms
Colin Wilson’s theories about consciousness and his book, The Outsider 
-T.E. Lawrence’s quote, “All men dream: but not equally…The dreamers of the day dream with their eyes open.”
Pilleater’s viral Safe Sleazy meme 
-The inauthenticity of scenes like the Dirtbag Left/Cum Town and Dime Square
-How we were ahead of our time in talking about an alt-left and dissident hipster scene
-Cryptic fascist symbolism from 90s indie bands like Pavement to pop stars like Iggy Azalea
-The esoteric components of sexuality

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Robert Stark talks about his Personal & Political Transformation

Robert Stark is joined by Matt Pegas to discuss his article, Contrasting my Political Journey with that of Richard Hanania (How I became who I am, as a Woke Chad Centrist).

Topics:
-Whether Robert should write an auto-biography or insider history of the Alt-Right
-The Background of Richard Hanania, who transformed from an Alt-Rightest to a pro-immigration libertarian neoliberal 
-How both Robert and Richard are honest about their trajectories in a way that most people aren’t
-Meeting Richard Hanania in LA
-How Robert never explicitly identified as Alt-Right, and his earlier views weren’t actually that extreme
-How anti-intellectual Chuds have ruined the online dissident right discourse
-Matt’s political trajectory, voting for Hillary Clinton, and then coming across Robert’s podcast in 2018
-Robert and Matt’s Alt-Center project, after the collapse of the Alt-Right
How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square
-How Robert’s views were shaped by class and demographic dynamics in LA
-How Robert felt pressure to signal to more reactionary viewpoints
-Robert’s promotion of enclavism and phase where he adopted the rhetoric of the multicultural left
-Why Robert now has contempt for conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites, and rightwing populists
-The quasi-religious notion of having to repent for bigoted views rather than evolving
-How people are unaware of how their subconscious, and factors like social status, shape their political views
-How American society places negative moral value on loserdom
-How Robert subconsciously had the same views he has now from an early age
-Narratives about populism vs elitism, and whether hating the rich is a cope
-Why Matt considers Robert’s philosophical views fundamentally rightwing
-Robert’s Aristocratic Radicalism
-Do we need technocracy to manage social status?
-Matt’s upcoming publishing project, New Ritual Press, which will republish Robert’s novel, Vaporfornia
-How Robert is not emotionally invested in the election

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Robert Stark interviews Kitemporal

Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to Kitemporal about philosophy, class, eugenics, sexuality, and gender roles. Kitemporal describes himself as a Radical Leftist, individualist, and eugenicist. Subscribe to his Substack and follow him on Twitter/X.

Topics include:

-Why Kitemporal calls himself a leftist, even though the left and right are arbitrary terms
-How managerial liberalism stifles human potential and is dysgenic
The backrooms as a metaphor for managerialism
-Why deconstruction is a valuable tool and can have anti-liberal results
-Why the Right has more respect for Bolsheviks than liberals
-How eugenics can be used for egalitarian aims (eg. breeding out toxic masculinity)
-Why Kitemporal calls himself a natalist nihilist
-The pros and cons of eugenics based on class
-Fertility trends by class
-Do libertarians, nerds, and artists have the lowest fertility?
-Beauty dysgenics
-Eurasians as a distinctly upper middle class ethnogenesis
-Why Kitemporal disagrees with the Ancient Problemz show that guys getting oral is upper class coded but rather macho coded
-How the normalization of fetishes makes them less transgressive
-The Ahegao face meme
-Whether low status men going down on high status women can ease the incel issue and  perhaps class warfare
-How anything can be normalized as high status to NPCs
-The latent bisexual undercurrents in rightwing politics
-Kitemporal’s new money redneck background
-Kitemporal’s esoteric proposals for gender roles
-How granting women the option of taking on full male gender roles discredits feminism
-Kitemporal’s religion of Dynostiscism

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Robert Stark interviews Meta Ronin about Esoteric AI

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Topics include:

-How the moniker means a nomad like Ronin and Meta means transcending the greater truth
-Robert’s article on Techno Distributism
-The ineptitude of luddites and why we should embrace automation
-The case for UBI and the value of leisure
-The role of status and competition in a post-scarcity society
-The mentality of “I had to suffer so now you have to suffer too”
Ray Kurzweil’s Moore’s Law
-Meta Ronin’s advocacy of Robot Waifus
-How AI GFs can serve as the Jungian anima, or inner feminine
-The Gamma male archetype
-How AI can be used for Jungian Shadow Work
-AI as a tool for Parapsychology/Spiritual Science to point to cosmic truths
-Creating a new Brahmin caste by brain-scanning people for spiritual responses
A dystopian proposal to use magnets to rewire brains to make people less racist and religious
-Uploading consciousness to AI
-Meta Ronin’s interest in Daoism and Shintoism
-How religion is shaped by genetics
-Whether AI will become conscious/sentient
-Why AI will be good for offering everyone a specialized path
-Meta’s Ronin’s ideal urban model
-Beauty aesthetics as a value and hierarchy: order to sensory input on instinctual level
-Automation creating Darwinian bottlenecks
-Ethnogenesis forming between Whites and Asians
-The eugenic implications of artificial wombs
-The Silicon Valley neo-reactionaries
-Aristocratic reasons for opposing consumer capitalism and mass democracy
-Meta Ronin’s upcoming sci-fi novel
-Dystopian scenarios, such as a Chinese-style social credit system
The Stellar Engine
-Kurzweil’s Age of Spiritual Machines
-Terrance McKenna’s Transcendental Object at the End of Time

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Walt Bismarck interviews me about Rightwing Multiculturalism

This is a simulcast with Walt Bismarck’s Walt Right podcast.

Topics include:

  • Robert’s political trajectory coming out of the Ron Paul movement
  • Robert’s Jewish heritage
  • His thoughts on the political position of American Jews since the Gaza War
  • How the boredom of the Biden years has created a less tense environment
  • How recent years have driven a wedge between the Left and Liberals
  • How anti-Whiteness led to an explosion of antisemitism on the Left
  • Has the boundary between Jews and Whites blurred over the past few years?
  • How Walt was able to mainstream himself without denouncing the Alt Right
  • The tenability of Right Wing Multiculturalism and Castizo Futurism
  • How comfortable is Walt with immigration?
  • The resentment towards Brahmin Indians growing in Silicon Valley
  • White people in America need to form the same ethnic patronage networks as immigrant ethnic groups
  • How Walt misjudged the Midwest
  • Arizona vs. Florida vs. California
  • The hyper-individualistic nature of White Californians
  • California as an American “promised land” and the most beautiful place on earth
  • DeSantis’s efforts to position Florida as the new California
  • Why did DeSantis fail?
  • Brain drain from California to Florida
  • Why has Florida supplanted Texas as the conservative hub?
  • The decentralized modern Dissident Right vs. the old Alt Right
  • Nick Fuentes vs. the “Post-Left” Dimes Square / Red Square crowd
  • Why are Hispanics in California/Arizona more leftist than in Florida/Texas?
  • How personal temperament impacts a person’s politics
  • The median Alt Righter was actually less racist on a visceral level than the average ”colorblind” conservative
  • Colorblindness is responsible for the worst of the Left and the Right
  • Moral implications of belief in HBD
  • How much should you talk about HBD?
  • Emil Kirkegaard’s study on taboos
  • Respects in which Walt is rightwing
  • Walt’s centrism on abortion and hatred for pro-life maximalists
  • Robert’s futurist concept of distributism
  • Why immigration restriction basically requires mass automation
  • Walt’s idea for a “grand bargain” where illegal immigrants are given legal status in exchange for a guarantee that they will never be given the right to vote
  • The case for a Rightwing Urbanism and pro-White YIMBYism
  • Do you need restricted covenants etc. to sell YIMBYism to suburbanites?
  • Is NIMBYism necessary to prevent a mass brain drain from the interior?
  • Gentrification as the future of the right and the opposite of White Flight
  • Walt’s desire for a “High Openness Right” that resembles the early Alt Right
  • Why conservatives suck at art
  • HBO’s Girls and The Sopranos as conservative art
  • Painting as a metaphor for ethno-pluralism
  • Robert Stark’s stance on AI Art
  • How Walt used Disney songs to explain the Alt Right, and how this resembles how Lin Manuel Miranda’s use of rap to explain the Founding Fathers
  • How key changes are used to create an emotional impact in music, especially show tunes and 80s music
  • Why do the 80s resonate with Millennial guys so much?
  • Walt’s pro-white argument for reparations
  • Walt’s support for animal rights and lab grown meat
  • Will future societies look back on factory farms the same way we look at slavery?
  • High IQ people need a self-selected bubble where they don’t have to “hold frame”
  • We’re not all gonna make it—that’s just part of being a man
  • The modern world is much better for high IQ autistic guys like Walt and Robert
  • How Tinder increased the incel rate from 15% to 30%
  • What makes someone “smart but poor?” What is Walt’s advice for this demo?
  • Building an income on Substack—Walt and Robert’s strategies
  • How building a social media presence is like feudalism

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Robert Stark talks to Matt Pegas about The Black Album

Robert Stark talks to Matt Pegas about his book, The Black Album. The Black Album is a collection of essays and short stories, both fiction and non-fiction. The book deals with themes, including alienation, masculinity, incels, serial killers, spirituality, alchemy, philosophy and aesthetics.

Topics:
-the inspiration for the title from Joan Didion’s The White Album and the music trope of color-coded albums
-Mass shootings as a metaphysical attack against reality
-The context of Matt writing himself into fictional stories
-Adapting to writing with time limitations
-Matt’s struggles with serial killer OCD and POCD in adolescence
-the gnostic component to psychology and mental illness
-Jefferey Dahmer and the trope that the weird loner is the most dangerous
-the archetype of the Emo
-coping with malaise and dissatisfaction with life
-transcript of a disturbing correspondence involving an online follower
-Matt’s essay, Renaissance of The Ritual
-Foundational thinking over Traditionalism
-A painting of a failed alchemist and why alchemy is legit
-Matt’s experiences with Tarot, transcendental meditation, and esotericism
-Matt’s Essay, David Lynch, Bronze Age Pervert, and the possibility of inner freedom
-Matt’s thought experiment of a based Marianne Williamson or BAPist version of Steiner schools
-Matt’s essay, The Politics of Aesthetics Revisited
-The esoteric significance of Las Vegas
Revisiting Alt-Centrism
-How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square in 2018

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Robert Stark is interviewed about Esotericism

Robert Stark is interviewed by Matt Pegas and his co-host Evan, as a simulcast for their Strange Flows podcast.

Topics:
Colin Wilson’s study of consciousness
-Robert’s art, Substack writings, and novels
-Mark Fisher’s Capitalist Realism
Robert’s case for Theosophy
-Robert’s mystical experience at June Lake
-contrasting Neoplatonism and Gnosticism, in their approach to theurgy, aesthetics and the natural world
-can ugly things be beautiful or divine?
-channeling the fire of youth
-revisiting Robert’s first podcast with Matt from 2018
-rediscovering the song, 9pm (Till I Come)
-occultist, genetic, political, and social dynamics to oral acts
-A critique of the moral authoritarianism and lack of pluralism of Abrahamic faiths
-how we should approach occultism
-prediction that America will have another religious revival
California’s pan-enclavism
-thoughts on neo-reactionary critiques of democracy, the case for proportional inequality, and how to select elites
-the Art Fascist vs the Warrior Fascist

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Schizo Chat with Salmonfish

Robert Stark talks with Salmonfish about Bronze Age Pervert, art, metaphysics, philosophy, politics and economics. Salmonfish is a renaissance man, Avant Garde artist, and Passage Prize winner from Ohio. Follow Salmonfish on Twitter/X.

Topics:
Raising memes to an artform
Online political tribes as an American adaption of old-world feudal entitlements
Robert’s article, Selective Breeding And The Birth of Philosophy
The pros and cons of Bronze Age Pervert and Curtis Yarvin
Pan-enclavism
Debate about meritocracy vs caste or proportional inequality
The Artist/Shaman archetype
Intersectionality of the smart but poor
Conspiracy theories as explained by a collective subconscious or conspiracies of instinct
Pioneering work in the treatment of mental illness with psychedelics
How metaphysics, genetics, psychology, and politics intersect
Spiritual science and near death experiences which are legit but often theologically contradict
Salmonfish’s esoteric take on Christianity
Why Dualism is needed in spirituality, psychology, and politics
Disillusionment with Trump/MAGA
Why most politics is sexual
The state of the economy and economic transition (explanation for the Great Reset)

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Robert Stark talks to Evee about Culture & Psycho-Social Dynamics

Robert Starks and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to Evee about culture and aesthetics, psychology, and sexuality. Evee, a long time fan of the podcast, is an underground artist and musician (formally signed to Eyeball Records) from New Jersey, and is of French and Italian descent. Evee is a soi-disant Avant Garde bohemian, and champagne socialist, with a French mentality in temperament and cultural sensibilities. Check him out on YouTube and Twitter.

Topics:
Evee’s satirical fan videos of Robert Stark, Luke Ford and Jason Reza Jorjani
The New Jersey scene as a more authentic precursor to Dime Square
Revisiting the scene known as the Alt-Left, Alt-Center, or leftwing of the Alt-Right
Aesthetic preferences in art and cinema
The politics and philosophy of aesthetics
Why economic elitism is the enemy of cultural elitism
Why sincere sexual and aesthetic-based racism is preferable to sublimating these preferences into reactionary politics
Why psychoanalysis could cure a lot of political and social problems
Why rightwing moralism is as bad as leftwing moralism
Evee’s intuitive view of human nature
Why Evee dislikes the Manosphere and Red Pill scene
The political symbolism of oral intimacy and fetish culture
The implosion of modern liberal society
Evee’s upcoming book of poetry

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